• @SaddamHussein24
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        How are they “reactionary”, “grifters” and “with very little knowledge of theory”? Caleb Maupin is one of the most well read online communists, he knows the history of US labor activism up and down, he has read theory from many marxist thinkers, from the classics (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao) to more obscure figures like Hoxha, Gramsci and William Z Foster. He has participated in activism for 2 decades, from anti Iraq War protests, to the Workers World Party, to Occupy Wall Street, to visiting Russia, China, Nicaragua, Iran, Venezuela, to meeting with Mariela Castro and inviting her to New York to hold pro trans rights rallies, to traveling to Yemen to bring humanitarian aid, to his think tank CPI now.

        Caleb is marxist leninist, pro abortion, pro LGBTQ rights, antiracist, feminist and antibigot. He is nothing of what you called him, and i find it disappointing that american leftists would waste time slandering fellow comrades instead of fighting your imperialist regime, all while the rest of the world suffers the consequences of that regime. My country is occupied by US military bases imposed on us by a fascist regime, we never voted for them, yet we will still be blown to pieces if a war with Russia breaks out.

        I cannot speak for other so called “patsocs” since im not very familiar with them, but Caleb Maupin is 100% a comrade and the only reason you hate him is rumours that you believe i dont know why. Dont you have critical thought? Or you just believe whatever they tell you, no questioning? If you do question things, please head out to his youtube channel, you will see im not lying.

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            I really dont care about flags, flags are just a piece of cloth. I care about the values someone has and their actions. If you support antiimperialism and worker solidarity, you are my Comrade. I dont care what flag you use, thats up to you. If you like USA flag its ok, if you dont like it its ok.

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                99% of americans dont support antiimperialism either, whats your point? Also i would dispute the notion that conservatives are more hostile to antiimperialism. In the George W Bush neocon years sure, but since Trump the situation has turned id say. More and more conservatives and libertarians are against wars, while democrat supporters love the Azov Battallion and want war with Russia. Tucker Carlson, of all people, has been the only mainstream media voice to expose lies on Ukraine. I think this reflects a divide in the US ruling class, between top billionaires like Jeff Bezos who support democrats and want interventionism because it benefits their international corporations, and smaller millionaires and billionaires like Rupert Murdoch who support Trump republicans and want isolationism and reindustrialization of the USA since they benefit more from that. I think this explains the Trump movement and related stuff. Ofc this isnt 100% mathematical, for example Elon Musk is a top billionaire but supports republicans, but i still think this model explains the situation quite well.

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                  Trump and Republicans are not as anti-war as you think

                  Trump wanted to bomb and invade Iran as well as start a full economic war with China

                  They just don’t want proxy wars, vassal states, neo-colony type situations since they don’t want to invest in other countries to further imperialism and just want to keep all their money in America instead

                  Libertarians’ foreign policies are much better but not sure what they have to do with anything since they have 0 presence in the USA

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                    With anti war i meant more Trump supporters than Trump himself.

    • diegeticscream[all]🔻OP
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      If someone believes that there is anything worth redeeming in the political entity that is the U$, then we do not share a reality to debate in. I appreciate you sharing the Joe Sims article, but I’m firm in my understanding.

      Amerikkkan settler colonialism is a unique ill, and has to be completely destroyed for the world to breath.

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      I think you’re missing a critical distinction here: Stalin, Mao, Castro, Kim Il Sung, soviet textbooks, CPUSA articles

      Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Soviet textbooks - socialism situated in countries that were independent of colonial oppression and/or shook off the shackles of colonial oppression.

      Castro, CPUSA, Patriotic Socialism in the US - socialism situated in European colonies

      What happened when Castro succeeded? We should understand how Europeans settler colonists left Cuba as part of the revolution. We should also understand just how during the revolution, it was believed that the indigenous people of Cuba, the Taino, were literally extinct - exterminated by the Spanish - and there was literally no indigenous body politic that could be part of the revolution let alone lead it.

      European Patriotism in the “Americas” is fundamentally a continuance of the daily-renewed genocidal oppression of European settlers. The existence of any European colonial state in the Americas is fundamentally contradictory with a sustainable society, regardless of whether the European settlers choose socialism or barbarism.

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        What does my comment or the post have to do with “wokeism” or trans rights? The post and my comment are about socialist patriotism, those topics arent even mentioned.

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            False. Caleb Maupin, the most famous “patsoc” is an ardent supporter of trans rights and always has been. He organized pro trans rights marches in New York against the NYPDs profiling of trans women as “prostitutes”, once even with Mariela Castro. He is an outspoken feminist, antiracist, proLGBTQ rights and antibigot. Ill post 2 youtube examples of this from his channel:

            https://youtu.be/hPclz6YJzvk At 18:45, although i recommend watching the entire debate to see Calebs actual views vs the slander against him

            https://youtu.be/x4fZZA4_uEY At 2:28

            Maybe other “patsocs” are transphobic, but Caleb isnt. This should show you that “patsoc” is a meaningless label, “patsocs” have very different views.

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                He does support trans rights, he has marched many times for trans rights in his activist days. He insists on human rights to drive home the point, that even if trans people were “degenerates” and “mentally ill” as transphobes say, that wouldnt justify attacking them and discriminating them. Its to drive the point home that, whether you think trans women are “real women” or not, there is no justification for bigotry, discrimination and hate. He also often says that he does not know anything about gender ideology/transgender ideology/however you wanna call it, so he doesnt take a position on that, which i think is fair.

                PD: By gender/transgender ideology i mean all of these studies and ideas on whether trans women are same as cis women, gender vs sex and all that. I dont know what you are supposed to call it, so i call it gender/transgender ideology, pardon me if its offensive.

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                  Calling it gender/transgender ideology has grown into an anti-trans dog whistle at this point. So, by it’s nature as a dog whistle, it is used by plenty of people who are uninformed and don’t mean anything by it, but it is also used by people who tend to push theories that “someone” is pushing “gender ideology” that is taking over society, corrupting the medical industry (if a doctor believes trans treatment is valid, they have been compromised, they are part of the conspiracy; if a person is trans, they have been deluded, or they are a sexual predator in hiding)–if you follow the threads, you will often find yourself tugging on the end of an anti-Semitic or Q-Anon style conspiracy theory. By calling it “ideology” it downplays the scientific knowledge available about trans people and leaves room for the idea that it is purely a “choice” (a discussion that is generally not held in a principled way that respects scientific knowledge and tends to be used as an easy conversation-stopper, allowing a wide range of idealist anti-LGBT positions to go unexamined against scientific knowledge) and at worst, emphasizes the notion that there is a secretive, infiltrative brainwashing campaign being conducted by some shadowy “elites” (which tends to be a dogwhistle for “Jews”).

                  So although “offensive” is not really how I would describe it, I would say that if you refer to gender/transgender “ideology” you are definitely going to get peoples’ guards up, and make people feel nervous and on edge, because for all they know you are someone who is prone to believing and spreading various bigoted conspiracy theories (intentionally or unintentionally), or someone who is intentionally hiding their bigotry while also trying to spread it (something that you can regularly find transphobes and white supremacists talking among themselves strategizing about doing, I know because I follow such discussion groups). Someone like Maupin who digs their heels in when criticized over their lack of knowledge on this topic is going to raise peoples red flags. Personally, I’ve watched a few hours of his content, and read some of his work–perhaps I’ll engage with him a bit more soon to refresh my view of him. I’ve got some reservations/criticisms of him but I do believe on trans issues he is a case of someone who is not secretly an extreme bigot, but who is stubbornly refusing to become more informed, because he regards gender issues more as “ideology” than “science”, causing him to de-prioritize finding out more details and to only see the surface issues, which I find to be a flawed position.

                  (Edit: I have gone and watched the videos you linked to someone else itt–I had seen his Thought Slime response previously but re-watched it, and I’m also watching this one now and viewing portions of his recent vids to generally refresh my view on Maupin so as to have a more accurate/updated view of him if this conversation continues.)

                  By gender/transgender ideology i mean all of these studies and ideas on whether trans women are same as cis women, gender vs sex and all that. I dont know what you are supposed to call it

                  The term “gender studies” will cover this and not make people feel nervous. It’s the term used in academia and refers to studies about women, feminism, and LGBT issues. If you are talking about other aspects of life outside of the academic study of gender, you could say “gender related issues” “trans related issues” or “LGBT related issues”.

                  Regarding your positions about patriotism, I have some things to say. I’ve actually watched several hours of Haz/Infrared’s content in the past (I feel that I recall you mentioning him at some point, I may be wrong) and find him and some of his positions interesting, and I do think it’s over-simplification when people just toss him out as reactionary without going through his positions one-by-one, several of which I think are worth talking about, especially since much of his approach is all about shaking people up and forcing them to confront what makes them uncomfortable to acknowledge. Again, I have criticisms about him (or, what I saw of him, quite some time ago by now), different ones than I have of Maupin. But anyway, I think the way you are framing the patriotism issue regarding Americans is not a going to be a successful approach (partly due to the U.S. being a settler-colonial society with ongoing land-stealing, displacement, and murder of the indigenous population; partly due to the way everyone is using different and shifting definitions of “patriotism” here while basically agreeing on many of each other’s points; partly due to what I think are flawed comparisons being made between colonies, semi-colonies, settler colonies, and metropoles; partly due to “American identity” being a very nebulous and fragmented concept due to the U.S.'s settler, slavery descendent, and indigenous populations still living in physical segregation from each other). I want to talk with you about it as I think there are some things you should consider. However I don’t have time currently to write more.

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                    Ah i see, so “gender studies” is the correct term. Thanks! I agree with your post 100%, 99% of people here attacking Maupin and Infrared have no idea about them. I tend to agree more with Maupin than Infrared, Haz is too hostile to identity politics for my taste, and has some weird twitter takes too. He still has interesting things to say sometimes, which is why i prefer having an open mind.

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                What organization are you talking about? I dont understand. Are you talking about CPI? CPI is not reactionary, its led by Caleb Maupin and has white, black, christian, muslim and trans members from very different backgrounds. Most of them are socially liberal like Maupin, although there are some socially conservative members, mainly religious people. Racism isnt tolerated tho, they are explictly antiracist. Like bro they uphold John Brown, who killed slave owners and freed the slaves, as a national hero xD

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                    I mean like i said Caleb Maupin has a ML think tank called CPI, which most “patsocs” are associated with. But that org is anything but racist. Of all the things you could criticise of them, racism isnt one of them. This claim is pure slander.

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      This. Patriotism is love for your own country and its people, not for your country’s current state. Patriotism is not super patriotism as Michael Parenti called it.