Setting aside the question of winter gear (as comrades have already highlighted it), and even setting aside the murderous masturbatory fantasy of war-as-videogame (what they describe is essentially CoD or Ghost Recon kind of game, with gigachad protagonist having hilarious over the top advantage over poorly programmed NPCs).
I want to focus a little on the example chosen for comparison - Predator movie. Because it is a very peculiar choice. What do we see in the movie? First we see a team of these stereotypical Hollywood gigachad “operators” tear through a gang of Hollywood “rebels” in an absurdly one-sided tussle. Can’t even call it a skirmish. The yanks have better gear, better physique, better everything, exactly as what the idiot in the image imagines yankee troops to be. And then the alien turns it upside down on them, by having better physique, better tech, etc. And it’s once again not a battle, nor a fight, the alien is just hiding in the trees like a rat to occasionally pop a yank with that absurd gun of his. While invisible. And when Arnie accidentally circumvents the predator’s tech - it screeches in impotent rage and fires blindly into the jungle, because its FPS sim got disturbed. Just as the yanks were firing blindly into the jungle earlier, for the same reason.
So what’s the point of this rant? Well, I almost want to see those “SOF teams” try to pull their yankee shit, only to discover what “artillery barrage” means and what “peer equipment” means. But of course, useless removed-s like in the op image won’t get the message and will simply continue writing similar masturbatory fanfics.
Seriously. I recently read a paper somebody linked here which went over Russian artillery doctrine. Long and the short is that the Russians can get effective artillery fires on a target inside of three minutes under optimal conditions, particularly when using UAVs for spotting. They’ve also gotten into the habit of attaching mortars to infantry units and forming them up into mortar teams ad hoc, giving such units some quite potent local indirect fire support.
the idiot writing this shit won’t be on the frontlines having his illusions shattered it will be some guy who got signed up by a press gang while trying to catch a bus and already had his illusions shattered who will have to walk this idiots talk
Sadly, you are correct. And that’s the core of the issue. The idiots beating the war drums are always the ones feeling perfectly safe and sound in their little wine caves and incel basements on their little islands. It’s everyone else who foots the bill for their hubris
If we consider the Predator movie, at least the first one, to be an allegory for the Vietnam war because it featured jungle warfare and commando bros facing off against an enemy that is virtually invisible, implacable, utterly alien and incomprehensible, and entirely determined to hunt down and kill the invaders (often in torturous ways) while the commando bros are pretty much helpless against the predator as they get picked off one by one…
Then they’ve kinda missed the entire message underlying the movie.
If they think “better equipment = we’re like the predator” then they’re failing to grasp the fact that the true terror in the film doesn’t come from better technology but from an enemy which can blend seamlessly into the environment, which could be anywhere at any time, and is completely unstoppable. The technology is just window-dressing because if it were about a regiment of small Vietnamese people armed with AK-47s it wouldn’t be much of a spectacle and it wouldn’t play into macho power fantasies.
So, if the story is a metaphor about an enemy which is comparatively poorly armed using their skills and the terrain to their advantage, defeating what is assumed to be the best of the best, then why are they using it to brag about having better equipment again?
Next they’re going to use Starship Troopers in completely the wrong way as a metaphor for the war in the Ukraine, aren’t they?
If we consider the Predator movie, at least the first one, to be an allegory for the Vietnam war
Errr why should we? Because jungle and imaginary yankee toughs? I’m not sold on this analogy. Predator reads more like Wells’ “War of the worlds” - turning the situation upside down on the colonizers. Suddenly they’re the ones being hunted for sport by uncaring invader with absurd levels of technological superiority (while still acting as if it’s fair and square).
Then they’ve kinda missed the entire message underlying the movie
Oh this I agree with
but from an enemy which can blend seamlessly into the environment, which could be anywhere at any time, and is completely unstoppable.
Nowadays drones fullfil this function
Next they’re going to use Starship Troopers in completely the wrong way as a metaphor for the war in the Ukraine, aren’t they
Didn’t nafo already use the “I’m doing my part” bit from the movie, completely serious and missing the satire?
Errr why should we? Because jungle and imaginary yankee toughs? I’m not sold on this analogy.
I mean, your interpretation is as valid as mine. But I think you haven’t done my words justice in your summary of the points that I made to support my interpretation. You’ve either responded before reading my whole comment or you’ve spent too much time on Reddit.
Predator reads more like Wells’ “War of the worlds” - turning the situation upside down on the colonizers. Suddenly they’re the ones being hunted for sport by uncaring invader with absurd levels of technological superiority (while still acting as if it’s fair and square).
An analogy is such because it’s not a 1:1 representation and it never will be. If it were meant to be a perfect representation of the Vietnam war then it would be a biopic or a documentary. There’s no inviolable rule that you can’t invert parts of your allegory and clearly this was done to make a Hollywood blockbuster action-scifi film.
The predator wasn’t a coloniser imo. There’s less in the movie to support the idea that the predator was colonising the jungle than there is for the Vietnam war allegory. A foreigner in a different land doesn’t amount to colonisation.
I was trying to find the quote from someone who was involved in production who said that if it were a few years earlier then Predator would have been set in Vietnam when I came across this opinion piece which makes a better case for the film being a Vietnam War allegory (while explaining the predator’s high tech) than I did.
Didn’t nafo already use the “I’m doing my part” bit from the movie, completely serious and missing the satire?
Maybe I’m blessed because I haven’t been exposed to nearly anything from the NAFO chuds but I’d absolutely believe this from a group of people who are rapidly circling the ideological drain hole that is fascism.
The technology in Predator isn’t window dressing really, it’s icing on a cake, because predator is able to defeat the Murican HeroesTM largely because it, so by extension they suggest that the Vietnamese (not having that tech obviously) must had some kind of magic to be able to do it too.
Next they’re going to use Starship Troopers in completely the wrong way as a metaphor for the war in the Ukraine, aren’t they?
Already seen it. And not surprising at all, combined with complete amputation of the sense of irony and satire because prerequisite is to take ST movie completely seriously on face level.
Setting aside the question of winter gear (as comrades have already highlighted it), and even setting aside the murderous masturbatory fantasy of war-as-videogame (what they describe is essentially CoD or Ghost Recon kind of game, with gigachad protagonist having hilarious over the top advantage over poorly programmed NPCs).
I want to focus a little on the example chosen for comparison - Predator movie. Because it is a very peculiar choice. What do we see in the movie? First we see a team of these stereotypical Hollywood gigachad “operators” tear through a gang of Hollywood “rebels” in an absurdly one-sided tussle. Can’t even call it a skirmish. The yanks have better gear, better physique, better everything, exactly as what the idiot in the image imagines yankee troops to be. And then the alien turns it upside down on them, by having better physique, better tech, etc. And it’s once again not a battle, nor a fight, the alien is just hiding in the trees like a rat to occasionally pop a yank with that absurd gun of his. While invisible. And when Arnie accidentally circumvents the predator’s tech - it screeches in impotent rage and fires blindly into the jungle, because its FPS sim got disturbed. Just as the yanks were firing blindly into the jungle earlier, for the same reason.
So what’s the point of this rant? Well, I almost want to see those “SOF teams” try to pull their yankee shit, only to discover what “artillery barrage” means and what “peer equipment” means. But of course, useless removed-s like in the op image won’t get the message and will simply continue writing similar masturbatory fanfics.
Seriously. I recently read a paper somebody linked here which went over Russian artillery doctrine. Long and the short is that the Russians can get effective artillery fires on a target inside of three minutes under optimal conditions, particularly when using UAVs for spotting. They’ve also gotten into the habit of attaching mortars to infantry units and forming them up into mortar teams ad hoc, giving such units some quite potent local indirect fire support.
the idiot writing this shit won’t be on the frontlines having his illusions shattered it will be some guy who got signed up by a press gang while trying to catch a bus and already had his illusions shattered who will have to walk this idiots talk
Sadly, you are correct. And that’s the core of the issue. The idiots beating the war drums are always the ones feeling perfectly safe and sound in their little wine caves and incel basements on their little islands. It’s everyone else who foots the bill for their hubris
If we consider the Predator movie, at least the first one, to be an allegory for the Vietnam war because it featured jungle warfare and commando bros facing off against an enemy that is virtually invisible, implacable, utterly alien and incomprehensible, and entirely determined to hunt down and kill the invaders (often in torturous ways) while the commando bros are pretty much helpless against the predator as they get picked off one by one…
Then they’ve kinda missed the entire message underlying the movie.
If they think “better equipment = we’re like the predator” then they’re failing to grasp the fact that the true terror in the film doesn’t come from better technology but from an enemy which can blend seamlessly into the environment, which could be anywhere at any time, and is completely unstoppable. The technology is just window-dressing because if it were about a regiment of small Vietnamese people armed with AK-47s it wouldn’t be much of a spectacle and it wouldn’t play into macho power fantasies.
So, if the story is a metaphor about an enemy which is comparatively poorly armed using their skills and the terrain to their advantage, defeating what is assumed to be the best of the best, then why are they using it to brag about having better equipment again?
Next they’re going to use Starship Troopers in completely the wrong way as a metaphor for the war in the Ukraine, aren’t they?
Errr why should we? Because jungle and imaginary yankee toughs? I’m not sold on this analogy. Predator reads more like Wells’ “War of the worlds” - turning the situation upside down on the colonizers. Suddenly they’re the ones being hunted for sport by uncaring invader with absurd levels of technological superiority (while still acting as if it’s fair and square).
Oh this I agree with
Nowadays drones fullfil this function
Didn’t nafo already use the “I’m doing my part” bit from the movie, completely serious and missing the satire?
I mean, your interpretation is as valid as mine. But I think you haven’t done my words justice in your summary of the points that I made to support my interpretation. You’ve either responded before reading my whole comment or you’ve spent too much time on Reddit.
An analogy is such because it’s not a 1:1 representation and it never will be. If it were meant to be a perfect representation of the Vietnam war then it would be a biopic or a documentary. There’s no inviolable rule that you can’t invert parts of your allegory and clearly this was done to make a Hollywood blockbuster action-scifi film.
The predator wasn’t a coloniser imo. There’s less in the movie to support the idea that the predator was colonising the jungle than there is for the Vietnam war allegory. A foreigner in a different land doesn’t amount to colonisation.
I was trying to find the quote from someone who was involved in production who said that if it were a few years earlier then Predator would have been set in Vietnam when I came across this opinion piece which makes a better case for the film being a Vietnam War allegory (while explaining the predator’s high tech) than I did.
Maybe I’m blessed because I haven’t been exposed to nearly anything from the NAFO chuds but I’d absolutely believe this from a group of people who are rapidly circling the ideological drain hole that is fascism.
The technology in Predator isn’t window dressing really, it’s icing on a cake, because predator is able to defeat the Murican HeroesTM largely because it, so by extension they suggest that the Vietnamese (not having that tech obviously) must had some kind of
magicto be able to do it too.Already seen it. And not surprising at all, combined with complete amputation of the sense of irony and satire because prerequisite is to take ST movie completely seriously on face level.