@ALeftistMoniker: 🧵 Why every liberal take on Ukraine is awful. vox.com/2015/3/23/8279… Because the liberal media explained 7 years ago that Kolomoisky, the oligarch that funded Zelenskiy’s campaign was funding tons...…
If you live in the west your primary job is to hold your own government accountable instead of perseverating over what Russia or China might be doing.
You didn’t mention that you lived in Ukraine. You should have led with that.
I don’t care than you posted something critical of Ukraine’s government. I don’t have a Ukrainian flag border around my Facebook profile picture, much less a Facebook account.
It would however be disingenuous of you to say you don’t understand why posting a critique on the government during its invasion looks like support for the invaders.
Your claim about providing people with information thst isn’t covered also fails the smell test. That’s literally what everyone says when they push their own beliefs. You cheerypick information, often from less that reputable sources.
I rarely comment because it exhausts me. I won’t keep going with this thread so feel free to get the last word.
I just wanted to put out there that seeing every issue as having 2 sides, one of which being wrong and one of which being your own is naïve at best. The US government sucks hard. So does Russia’s and China’s. You don’t have to pick one side or the other.
And despite their prolific posting OP is not a thought leader or arbiter or truth. They’re just another person on the internet who wants to tell you what to think. They found their truth and they’re not going to share or even give credence to anything that doesn’t support their opinion. It’s not “reporting non-msm news,” its just one person selectively sharing and ignoring information to fit their worldview. It’s not even subtle.
Posts and assertions and comments like these just make me so tired and disheartened. Instead of fighting for a better world people like OP pass off propaganda as fact because they have a mutual enemy with the propaganda’s author. I get that OP is trying to feel like part of a solution but it’s not honest and it’s filled with opinion which muddy the already blackened waters.
You didn’t mention that you lived in Ukraine. You should have led with that.
I live in Canada, and my government is directly responsible for training and arming the nazis on Ukraine.
It would however be disingenuous of you to say you don’t understand why posting a critique on the government during its invasion looks like support for the invaders.
No, it’s disingenuous to shut down the discussion of what Ukrainian regime is actually like by claiming that creates support for the invasion. It’s also very important to understand the conditions that led up to invasion in order to avoid wars going forward. Understanding why the Ukrainian government refused to negotiate with Russia and allowed things to escalate is important for understanding how this war started.
You cheerypick information, often from less that reputable sources.
Less than reputable presumably meaning non western media. Also, please be specific regarding what it is you claim I cherry pick.
Claiming that everybody sucks equally is just false equivalence. Sure, China has problems, just as any human society does. However, comparing China to US is sheer idiocy.
And despite their prolific posting OP is not a thought leader or arbiter or truth.
Ah yes, there’s always ad hominem when you run out of points to make. You don’t like that I have a perspective that’s different from yours and therefore what I say is invalid.
Instead of fighting for a better world, you dismiss what countries like China have achieved and provide no solutions of your own. This has been the story of western left since the Soviet revolution. Always criticizing others for doing it wrong without actually achieving anything yourself and facilitating horrors of western capitalism.
You claim to not take sides, but you claim that information that doesn’t fit your narrative “muddies the waters”. Wonder why somebody who doesn’t take sides would be against having a deeper analysis of things.
During this whole discussion, you haven’t addressed any of the actual content in the post and all you’ve done was to try and divert discussion from it. You keep making straw man argument and personal attacks here, and that’s just not going to change anybody’s mind. You certainly haven’t convinced me of anything other than you having an axe to grind. If you disagree with what I post on factual basis, then address the facts instead of smearing me.
You didn’t mention that you lived in Ukraine. You should have led with that.
I don’t care than you posted something critical of Ukraine’s government. I don’t have a Ukrainian flag border around my Facebook profile picture, much less a Facebook account.
It would however be disingenuous of you to say you don’t understand why posting a critique on the government during its invasion looks like support for the invaders.
Your claim about providing people with information thst isn’t covered also fails the smell test. That’s literally what everyone says when they push their own beliefs. You cheerypick information, often from less that reputable sources.
I rarely comment because it exhausts me. I won’t keep going with this thread so feel free to get the last word.
I just wanted to put out there that seeing every issue as having 2 sides, one of which being wrong and one of which being your own is naïve at best. The US government sucks hard. So does Russia’s and China’s. You don’t have to pick one side or the other.
And despite their prolific posting OP is not a thought leader or arbiter or truth. They’re just another person on the internet who wants to tell you what to think. They found their truth and they’re not going to share or even give credence to anything that doesn’t support their opinion. It’s not “reporting non-msm news,” its just one person selectively sharing and ignoring information to fit their worldview. It’s not even subtle.
Posts and assertions and comments like these just make me so tired and disheartened. Instead of fighting for a better world people like OP pass off propaganda as fact because they have a mutual enemy with the propaganda’s author. I get that OP is trying to feel like part of a solution but it’s not honest and it’s filled with opinion which muddy the already blackened waters.
I live in Canada, and my government is directly responsible for training and arming the nazis on Ukraine.
No, it’s disingenuous to shut down the discussion of what Ukrainian regime is actually like by claiming that creates support for the invasion. It’s also very important to understand the conditions that led up to invasion in order to avoid wars going forward. Understanding why the Ukrainian government refused to negotiate with Russia and allowed things to escalate is important for understanding how this war started.
Less than reputable presumably meaning non western media. Also, please be specific regarding what it is you claim I cherry pick.
Ah yes, there’s always ad hominem when you run out of points to make. You don’t like that I have a perspective that’s different from yours and therefore what I say is invalid.
Instead of fighting for a better world, you dismiss what countries like China have achieved and provide no solutions of your own. This has been the story of western left since the Soviet revolution. Always criticizing others for doing it wrong without actually achieving anything yourself and facilitating horrors of western capitalism.
You claim to not take sides, but you claim that information that doesn’t fit your narrative “muddies the waters”. Wonder why somebody who doesn’t take sides would be against having a deeper analysis of things.
During this whole discussion, you haven’t addressed any of the actual content in the post and all you’ve done was to try and divert discussion from it. You keep making straw man argument and personal attacks here, and that’s just not going to change anybody’s mind. You certainly haven’t convinced me of anything other than you having an axe to grind. If you disagree with what I post on factual basis, then address the facts instead of smearing me.