This is true, but notice how the man-made aspect of the famine is caused by “local governments exaggerated food production leading to high taxes”, like you say. This is hardly a mistake of “Mao”. If I only make 80k, but decide to pretend to be rich and declare a 500k income on my tax return, do I blame the tax authority when I pay the corresponding taxes and starve?
Mao’s fault in this is merely trusting that officials weren’t just lying in order to shoot their own foot. Not to mention the government needed the money after Soviet investment dried fast. Even then, when output numbers were becoming suspicious and contradict new information, he was among the first to call it out. Not to mention we still have videos of his colleagues like Liu & Deng visiting satellite farms. The narrative that GLF is categorized under Mao’s mistakes, and presenting Deng as a contrast to such types of mistakes, is a contrast that does not stand when you look into it.
This is true, but notice how the man-made aspect of the famine is caused by “local governments exaggerated food production leading to high taxes”, like you say. This is hardly a mistake of “Mao”. If I only make 80k, but decide to pretend to be rich and declare a 500k income on my tax return, do I blame the tax authority when I pay the corresponding taxes and starve?
Mao’s fault in this is merely trusting that officials weren’t just lying in order to shoot their own foot. Not to mention the government needed the money after Soviet investment dried fast. Even then, when output numbers were becoming suspicious and contradict new information, he was among the first to call it out. Not to mention we still have videos of his colleagues like Liu & Deng visiting satellite farms. The narrative that GLF is categorized under Mao’s mistakes, and presenting Deng as a contrast to such types of mistakes, is a contrast that does not stand when you look into it.
我说了，一项运动好与坏必须看结果。既然你承认由于大跃进的浮夸风和人民公社导致的对生产资料生活资料的损毁是导致饥荒的重要原因那么这不就证明这项运动是有问题的吗？人民公社化导致大规模的损毁生产与生活资料，不就代表了这是根本上的制度问题？政府推动人民进行新的运动，人民却做出不合理的事，即使这不是政府所设想的。那么这些不合理的事情的发生不就是由于政策推动的吗？大跃进期间的饥荒很大程度上不就是当时的政策造成的吗？大跃进期间的饥荒本可以不发生，没必要发生，但它发生了，所以它是坏的
我也没觉得批毛不管理性不理性都是sb了，你要是正反面都了解，选择哪面当然是你我的自由。英文交流只是给老外灌输一点他们接触不到的另一面而已，大跃进发起背后的苏联撤资、困难时期过后中国成功独立和作为一个大国的真正主权独立，这些有人说吗？不都是张口就来一些三流写手理论，搞的好像全中国就一个疯子毛泽东一天睡醒就大呼要跃进，好像中央除了他全是明理人面对独裁者敢怒不敢言，好像全中国都是奴才无脑跟进毛泽东意志，老外整天就听这种sb降智宣传。没必要每个回复都怒踩，又不是微博打嘴仗来当二极管的。
还是那话，批评可以，但要提出更好的方案（至少给个苗头）。如果像很多人一样只是批评，对实际情况和挑战不闻不问装作不知，那只能说你（不针对你本人）大概率还不如他们。不搞公社统货统销怎么搞、不搞大跃进如何保证今后经济一直就能好、嗷嗷待哺的工业化到底拿什么填、外债缺口上哪里补、地方财政坐飞机中央财政坐滑梯客观事实如何缓解，更不说蒋光头看到反攻大陆大好机会。。。哪几个不是政府内乱或国家解体或外敌入侵甚至更大饥荒重新做回黄非洲路线。
放着当时带着两大超级大国，打反人类牌带着全球封锁中国的美苏帝国主义不批，非要批自家出牌破解帝国主义的，还偏偏硬拉某一个实际操作也就那样、别人最希望你拉出来的人。你要批，人家毛泽东当年还大呼过我们不怕核战争，威胁美苏中国人死个几亿后剩下几亿人要如何如何反击呢。那是不是另一个世界线如果美苏没被镇住，真屠杀了几亿中国人，这个锅也扣毛泽东头上，核弹下的冤魂不是美不是苏全算毛泽东账上？
就算大跃进害死了一千万，不搞大跃进又要换个姿势死多少？给个只死八百万人的方案也行啊。然而民间一般只能看到因噎废食，只要你不吃饭就不会死的的神论。整天跟着节奏批毛泽东例如大跃进之类的所谓“左”的错误，疯狂借题发挥的，有几个真正知道毛时代到底在干啥、毛泽东本人干了啥、刘邓周等人又都是什么情况？批毛是有很多理性人，但很多其他人到底真有见解还是被带节奏，我想我们心知肚明。这里只能接触英文的群体就更不用说了。
我真不是讨厌毛泽东觉得毛泽东坏耶。我也知道最大的问题原因浮夸风是下面搞起来的。我就是想嘛，大跃进是抑制了农业生产的，所以在高征收情况下会饿死人。但是如果没有抑制农业生产的话在征收同样的粮食的情况下不就不会导致这么严重的饥荒吗？所以我觉得说大跃进是错误的。嗯…还有就是即使为了工业化，饿饿肚子也是可以接受的，但是不应该饿死人。我就是这样想的嘛₍₍ (̨̡ ‾ᗣ‾ )̧̢ ₎₎